bennyburrito wrote:

SpongeBob RoundPants wrote:

bennyburrito wrote:

I kinda do want to remove the whole selling of businesses thing, but that would make me an absolute asshat since I was the first one to sell a business.

1. Ruin business operating procedures and reduce them to trade commodities
2. Become GBA
3. ???
4. Profit

Basically. But I know you're not complaining; you were relentless in your bitching over never having the opportunity to own a business. Removing the ability to sell businesses on a whim/monthly whim should help to restore them, as well as the things I put into that other thread.

I've Owned or Co-Owned every business currently on Era (with the exception of MoonWok cuz its new).

What u smokin' brah? I don't care lol.. I don't have time for a business, I only bought it because Kaz wanted to.

Well, I bought PT because I enjoy it, I owned one through out the whole last few years before the reset and I plan to own this one until I quit or someone decided to make them NPC ran. Which I disapprove of. >_>

Just make it so the selling is businesses is rare and not generally allowed unless certain circumstances deem it necessary.

Kohola_KinG wrote:

Allowing people to buy and sell businesses is the most dumbest thing I've seen that involves businesses.

You guys make a rule 30 days and you cannot sell it? Well...... Doesn't that give them 30 days to find a buyer? When the 30 days is up, kaboom they sell the business and some other plonker becomes the owner and probably fires all the staff and rehires his own.

People that worked hard are fired just because some douche was hungry for more money.

Stop allowing people to buy and sell businesses. If you don't then at least scrap the rule because it's a pointless rule.

lol fuck people who have worked hard..they've been payed accordingly for their efforts and it's up to the new owner to decide if they are still a valuable asset for the business

bloodykiller wrote:

Kohola_KinG wrote:

Allowing people to buy and sell businesses is the most dumbest thing I've seen that involves businesses.

You guys make a rule 30 days and you cannot sell it? Well...... Doesn't that give them 30 days to find a buyer? When the 30 days is up, kaboom they sell the business and some other plonker becomes the owner and probably fires all the staff and rehires his own.

People that worked hard are fired just because some douche was hungry for more money.

Stop allowing people to buy and sell businesses. If you don't then at least scrap the rule because it's a pointless rule.

lol fuck people who have worked hard..they've been payed accordingly for their efforts and it's up to the new owner to decide if they are still a valuable asset for the business

This is era man not real life. Everybody hates somebody. The new owner will just hire his friends of course and all previous staff will get fired after working there way to manager or whatever.

Selling businesses is fucking stupid. And scraping that rule is the right thing to do.If not then scrap the 30 day rule for selling businesses because people that buy or own the business wants to make profit. So, uhm, aren't they going to sell the business for profit?

They'll just wait the 30 days out and it gives them time to find a buyer. It's happening now? Even our own GBA did it...

GBA was the ice breaker. It was actually probably a bad idea to implement. It got more people owning businesses, i.e. people who wanted that experience but were too busy doing other things to work through the ranks. I'm not happy with the results and I haven't seen anyone say anything worthwhile about why businesses should no longer be traded. Oh, besides the fact that I did it first. Which is lame in its own retrospect.

I read maybe 6 of the posts here, got bored. Sorry i havent answered this earlier, i make a habit of not posting in places where gabe's nose can poke me.

Businesses used to mean something. They were a point of pride.
Now they're shit because somebody thought it'd be a good idea to make them sellable.

That aside, Jade, Shrimps & myself all immensely enjoy our businesses. They're something to do that isn't just mashing D or bitching out TK.

You shouldn't post a question like this on a forum not a ton of people use. Just send a mail message to business owners.

Scoper wrote:

I read maybe 6 of the posts here, got bored. Sorry i havent answered this earlier, i make a habit of not posting in places where gabe's nose can poke me.

Businesses used to mean something. They were a point of pride.
Now they're shit because somebody thought it'd be a good idea to make them sellable.

That aside, Jade, Shrimps & myself all immensely enjoy our businesses. They're something to do that isn't just mashing D or bitching out TK.

You shouldn't post a question like this on a forum not a ton of people use. Just send a mail message to business owners.

No offense, but you're barely online. And same goes for Jade. Why does it matter if you immensely enjoy your businesses?
Go play Mega Mall Story ;P

I see Jade online a few hours each day, it's mostly in the morning though.

Kohola_KinG wrote:

bloodykiller wrote:

Kohola_KinG wrote:

Allowing people to buy and sell businesses is the most dumbest thing I've seen that involves businesses.

You guys make a rule 30 days and you cannot sell it? Well...... Doesn't that give them 30 days to find a buyer? When the 30 days is up, kaboom they sell the business and some other plonker becomes the owner and probably fires all the staff and rehires his own.

People that worked hard are fired just because some douche was hungry for more money.

Stop allowing people to buy and sell businesses. If you don't then at least scrap the rule because it's a pointless rule.

lol fuck people who have worked hard..they've been payed accordingly for their efforts and it's up to the new owner to decide if they are still a valuable asset for the business

This is era man not real life. Everybody hates somebody. The new owner will just hire his friends of course and all previous staff will get fired after working there way to manager or whatever.

Selling businesses is fucking stupid. And scraping that rule is the right thing to do.If not then scrap the 30 day rule for selling businesses because people that buy or own the business wants to make profit. So, uhm, aren't they going to sell the business for profit?

They'll just wait the 30 days out and it gives them time to find a buyer. It's happening now? Even our own GBA did it...

in real life with all this modern socialist bs regulations it's impossible to fire people in ur business if they've done nothing wrong

the matter seems pretty simple to me..if u want to keep a business u simply DON'T SELL IT. nobody is making u sell it... if the "old business owners" loved their business so much they simply wouldn't have sold it, being able to sell is simply an option you have

bloodykiller wrote:

Kohola_KinG wrote:

bloodykiller wrote:

Kohola_KinG wrote:

Allowing people to buy and sell businesses is the most dumbest thing I've seen that involves businesses.

You guys make a rule 30 days and you cannot sell it? Well...... Doesn't that give them 30 days to find a buyer? When the 30 days is up, kaboom they sell the business and some other plonker becomes the owner and probably fires all the staff and rehires his own.

People that worked hard are fired just because some douche was hungry for more money.

Stop allowing people to buy and sell businesses. If you don't then at least scrap the rule because it's a pointless rule.

lol fuck people who have worked hard..they've been payed accordingly for their efforts and it's up to the new owner to decide if they are still a valuable asset for the business

This is era man not real life. Everybody hates somebody. The new owner will just hire his friends of course and all previous staff will get fired after working there way to manager or whatever.

Selling businesses is fucking stupid. And scraping that rule is the right thing to do.If not then scrap the 30 day rule for selling businesses because people that buy or own the business wants to make profit. So, uhm, aren't they going to sell the business for profit?

They'll just wait the 30 days out and it gives them time to find a buyer. It's happening now? Even our own GBA did it...

in real life with all this modern socialist bs regulations it's impossible to fire people in ur business if they've done nothing wrong

the matter seems pretty simple to me..if u want to keep a business u simply DON'T SELL IT. nobody is making u sell it... if the "old business owners" loved their business so much they simply wouldn't have sold it, being able to sell is simply an option you have

Exactly why i said era isn't real life? New owner = people getting fired for doing nothing wrong, just because some hungry fool wanted more money and sold the business and the new owner wants to do a tag wipe and hire all his own.

It's pretty clear that businesses have just been changing hands allot since they introduced this new rule. If you love your business so dearly and don't want to sell it ever then adding this rule shouldn't be a problem to them then should it since they don't want to sell it?

Player-owned businesses are absolutely useless to the construct of Era for anything excess of giving newbs an occupational means of making money.

Other than that, the owners do nothing, unless they take charge and mine like slaves for their own cause.
Even then, the only use extracted from businesses is their use of mining/other occupations to provide Era with content that assists in recycling the money.

Solution? Remove all player-owned businesses UNLESS you plan on making a more intuitive system. However, creation of such a system just to accommodate a very small segment of the population is frankly a waste of time.

Since that option is silly, we'll revert to the first one.

Remove all player-owned business but allow players to work for businesses as a portion of the Era Economy. However, set required mining levels and things of that nature and grant them wages slightly above that of the average mining rate for their level.

Retain the stocking of items and use their efforts to keep businesses stocked so the money in the economy is still recycled by the purchase of perishable items like ammunition.

This is just me typing extremely quickly but you all should have the main idea by now. In this, you retain all the benefits of the existence of business and alleviate the useless aspects, such as the player-owned portion. In removing that, you need not sweat trading it and other annoying crap.

just because u dnt like businesses duznt mean other players don't...all those ppl who suck at pking (i.e. Scoper) and spend a shitload of time working and running their biz wouldn't era play without businesses.

see koho, if businesses can't be sold they simply can't be sold (maybe the owner wants to quit era or can't use internet for a while). if businesses CAN be sold then it's up to the owner whether to sell or not, so i really don't see the problem here except that u gave away ur business for free to become an ET so it annoys u that ppl get a lot of money for their bizzes

What is the real reasoning for not wanting businesses to be trading hands?
If it's the fact that it always needs a staff member to transfer ownership, add rights, intercom, safe, offices, all this could be tied into "Owner" right.

To simplify things even though it's sort of like the old "Biz system" you could always add a way for them to be safely sold, or how the houses are done.

As for the whole "30 day rule" if that was wanted to be kept make it say something like "You may not sell this business for another # of days."

Of course these would all require time and effort from Tim or Blue I guess, but their just ideas.

Oh and also, I'm one of the "all those ppl who suck at pking" and enjoy running a business, I would probably not play if I didn't own one.

Can you gentlemen read?
Nowhere in my post did I say that "because I don't like player-owned businesses, delete them". I gave you reasons as to why the concept, in its present state, is worthless.

If the administration team cares so much about Scoper and etc., it can make the system more intuitive and require them to do more to maintain their business rather than logging on once a week to dish out pay or so.

Otherwise, fire them, reimburse their expense 1.25x what they paid for the business and send them on their way.