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Koho Soul Site Administrator
Posts : 506 Join date : 2012-03-31 Age : 32
| Subject: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:52 am | |
| Who made the new rule ''Not allowed to host pk events if gangs are raiding''? What the fuck... Since when was era just about gang raids?. If they want to raid, they wont join the event and if they want to play events they will join the events........ I know Melon put the staff block down, but not saying it was him. I dont care who made it, just remove it. |
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Chris
Posts : 76 Join date : 2012-05-14
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:43 am | |
| I made the rule. It was targeted primarily at ULMS and probably isn't as necessary now that it doesn't give points. |
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Booger Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 946 Join date : 2012-03-31 Age : 31 Location : SLO, CA
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:11 am | |
| Shouldn't be a rule. I don't participate in gangs and I still like PK events, and I'm sure there are plenty of others out there that feel the same. Era isn't just about gangs. |
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I am me Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 318 Join date : 2012-05-08 Age : 35 Location : Southern California
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:26 am | |
| - Booger Scelus wrote:
- Shouldn't be a rule. I don't participate in gangs and I still like PK events, and I'm sure there are plenty of others out there that feel the same. Era isn't just about gangs.
Thunbs up! |
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Tim_Rocks Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 495 Join date : 2012-03-31
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:46 am | |
| - Booger Scelus wrote:
- Shouldn't be a rule. I don't participate in gangs and I still like PK events, and I'm sure there are plenty of others out there that feel the same. Era isn't just about gangs.
It's a fair rule, it disrupts gang raids, players like myself are just interested in simple pking, I'll join where ever I see it. And maybe that's just losing one player during a raid, it still means something. The rule doesn't always apply though, if I'm raiding and I don't want events being hosted, you probably shouldn't host events. |
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BlueMelon Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 411 Join date : 2012-03-31
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:48 am | |
| I put that block there because ETs were hosting Gang ULMS while there was a gang raid in progress. It only makes sense to not host that event during a gang raid.
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Koho Soul Site Administrator
Posts : 506 Join date : 2012-03-31 Age : 32
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:53 am | |
| - BlueMelon wrote:
- I put that block there because ETs were hosting Gang ULMS while there was a gang raid in progress. It only makes sense to not host that event during a gang raid.
I understand not hosting Gang ULMS if there's a raid but ET's are being told NOT to host any other pk events, which is not right. |
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fiberwire Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 463 Join date : 2012-04-06 Age : 32 Location : north carolina
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:05 am | |
| Era is too focused on gangs these days. |
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Booger Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 946 Join date : 2012-03-31 Age : 31 Location : SLO, CA
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:15 am | |
| Who removed my post? lol
Anyways what I said before: They prohibit any non gang members from participating in pking in gang bases, and while there's a raid going on there is little to none other pking going on for us non gang members, so what are we to do? Events maybe? No. Sorry. You can't PK or have events because it takes away from my raid. |
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Frankie Experienced Forum Member
Posts : 209 Join date : 2012-06-08 Age : 33
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:31 am | |
| if pk events are such a problem during gang raids, something more efficient should be put in place to prevent the loss of raid participation rather than telling ETs "no pk events during gang raids." why not "lock" gang members into their raids and prevent them from joining events during a raid? just an idea.
I'm all for increasing and maintaining gang activity, and I understand that gangs play a big role in Era's game play, but with a rule like this you might as well tell people not to bother playing unless they involve themselves in a gang (which not everyone can do considering there's a member cap on each gang) |
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fiberwire Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 463 Join date : 2012-04-06 Age : 32 Location : north carolina
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:36 pm | |
| There actually isn't a member cap, but everything else you said still holds true. |
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I am me Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 318 Join date : 2012-05-08 Age : 35 Location : Southern California
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:45 pm | |
| I thought there was member caps, I remember Jem saying he had it raised, plus there's +1 member slot in the shop? |
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Frankie Experienced Forum Member
Posts : 209 Join date : 2012-06-08 Age : 33
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:10 pm | |
| - fiberwire wrote:
- There actually isn't a member cap, but everything else you said still holds true.
it was removed but to my knowledge was recently put back in place when BH hired a shit ton of people and out numbered everyone. |
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Jess Committed Forum Member
Posts : 105 Join date : 2012-03-31
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:59 am | |
| We've had a few ET problems where a ET of the opposite gang will host events to stop a gang raid etc. Really just put there to remind ET's not to do it, not a big deal there hasen't been many or any problems recently |
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Booger Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 946 Join date : 2012-03-31 Age : 31 Location : SLO, CA
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:15 am | |
| No problems stopping raids, but problems with me not getting my events. |
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Frankie Experienced Forum Member
Posts : 209 Join date : 2012-06-08 Age : 33
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:10 am | |
| - Jess wrote:
- We've had a few ET problems where a ET of the opposite gang will host events to stop a gang raid etc.
that's a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why ETs shouldn't be hosting events during gang raids. but there are better methods to solve this issue that doesn't involve restricting the entire server from events simply because gangs are raiding. |
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Koho Soul Site Administrator
Posts : 506 Join date : 2012-03-31 Age : 32
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:47 am | |
| - Jess wrote:
- We've had a few ET problems where a ET of the opposite gang will host events to stop a gang raid etc.
Really just put there to remind ET's not to do it, not a big deal there hasen't been many or any problems recently But if that gang want to join the event they aren't there because it's hosted, they're there because they want to play it. They already said it was Gang ULMS and now you tell us it's any pk events? Make your minds up. This game is not just about gang raiding even though that's what i enjoy the most. Not everybody that's on gangtags want to raid, remember it's forced tag now so ofcourse people are going to join events with there tags on. If you guys dont want gang ulms hosted when raids are going on then i suggest you guys remove it or do something where ET's cannot host it. Actually, since it doesn't give gang points then i dont see the need for it to stay? it's forced tag now anyway, just remove it and keep ULMS. |
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Booger Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 946 Join date : 2012-03-31 Age : 31 Location : SLO, CA
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:05 am | |
| - Kohola_KinG wrote:
- Actually, since it doesn't give gang points then i dont see the need for it to stay? it's forced tag now anyway, just remove it and keep ULMS.
Exactly. Stop punishing players that aren't in gangs. Era isn't all about gangs. Also, how do you know that the person in the other gang raiding was trying to stop the raid? Perhaps some kid was like CAN U HOST ASSULT PLS?! and as an ET he just did his job. |
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Zeross Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 335 Join date : 2012-04-03
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:44 pm | |
| Your arguments are null void. One of, if not, the most significant component of Era is gangs. It says that in the description. Gangs, Guns, and etc.
A policy that restricts PK-Events from being hosted during gang raids would be illogical if gang membership were to only be available to a select segment of the era population.
However, with the addition of the Doughnut Squad, no player is excluded from gangs. Therefore, enforcing a policy that improves gang activity and protects said activity from outside influences (such as retarded ETs) is perfectly fine.
If you don't want to join a gang, so be it. However, you make this decision understanding that much of the game is structured around the conflict of gangs. This includes a large portion of our economy. i.e. Businesses like Ammo Mart, Gun Point, purchase of guns, even using housing as storage for said items.
Therefore, it is plainly ignorant to say gangs do not, or should not, take preference over other activities on era, which, in relation, are minute.
Its like saying you should spend as much money on a cage for an elephant as you would a mouse; plainly stupid.
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Jess Committed Forum Member
Posts : 105 Join date : 2012-03-31
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:02 pm | |
| Wil pretty much nailed it.
Also don't want to start adding in actual systems to stop ET's from hosting during raids and stuff, its far too complex.
It's really just there to nicely remind the ET to think before hosting.
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Koho Soul Site Administrator
Posts : 506 Join date : 2012-03-31 Age : 32
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:51 pm | |
| Like i said.... Remove gang ulms as there is no point in it anymore? You have the normal ULMS and make a rule where it cannot be hosted as much.
Stoping ET's from hosting any other PK events just because there's a raid on is a joke. What about the people that just play the game for the events? You going to punish them just because they aren't raiding?
It's simple, remove gang ulms and make ulms only hosted every few days. And let any other pk events hosted as normal.
It's not rocket science.
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Tim_Rocks Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 495 Join date : 2012-03-31
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:09 pm | |
| It's simple, we kill the Batman. |
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Frankie Experienced Forum Member
Posts : 209 Join date : 2012-06-08 Age : 33
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:41 am | |
| - Jess wrote:
- Wil pretty much nailed it.
Also don't want to start adding in actual systems to stop ET's from hosting during raids and stuff, its far too complex.
It's really just there to nicely remind the ET to think before hosting.
this type of logic is like making a level a pk zone and then telling players they can't pk. someone who knows what they're doing can most likely write a system with ease that forbids gang members to join events during raids. if it solves an issue that seems to be so controversial, why not implement it? everyone is too focused on trying to restrict ETs from hosting during gang raids. nobody else but me is thinking the other way around and saying that gang members shouldn't be able to join events if they're raiding. this way, anyone who's not in a gang can enjoy events and the energy from gang raids won't be killed off from an ET hosting. it's common sense.. |
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Rogue Dedicated Forum Member
Posts : 320 Join date : 2012-04-02 Age : 30 Location : New Jersey, USA
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:01 am | |
| Why is this a problem now after... nearly 10 years?
Stop whining and just add Broom to the EC shop ok... |
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Frankie Experienced Forum Member
Posts : 209 Join date : 2012-06-08 Age : 33
| Subject: Re: New Rule. Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:10 am | |
| - SpongeBob RoundPants wrote:
- Why is this a problem now after... nearly 10 years?
Stop whining and just add Broom to the EC shop ok... back in the day gang rivalries were a lot more intense than they are now. and little things like events never held gangs back from wanting to beat the piss out of each other. the player base was a lot different. times have changed. people have changed. it's funny that you pretty much need to force gangs onto people now to keep them active. |
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